Comment by 🌲 byte

can use ipv6 natively or even if you don't dave ipv6 it'll assign you ipv6 of its own. that address won't change when u move and obtain different ips in different places.

you can ret everything over it, even xmpp if desirable, gemini, http, or distcibuted tox, or ipfs, or just nfs, or appletalk, or just do a netcat chat with your friend, if you know their ip.

🐙 norayr · 2025-02-07 at 00:15:

yggdrassil will find adjust a routing table when u move and change isps. amnd even offline it can autodiscover available nodes.

doesn't need bootstrap servers.

🌲 byte [OP] · 2025-02-08 at 01:06:

@norayr yep I know, messed around with yggdrasil before. But honestly you got some impressive nerdy knowledge hehe /pos

Too bad i'm not in Armenia anymore, maybe we could have a couple of Dargetts

🚀 digler · 2025-02-10 at 14:26:

I'd like to add a 4th vote option for 'please don't force a site-wide poll for this sort of thing'

🚀 stack · 2025-02-10 at 14:57:

Make it 4 for me too. It's much more interesting to see people's comments than stats. Polls are better in larger settings, and better yet not at all

🌆 skyjake [mod...] · 2025-02-10 at 16:45:

You can go to your notification settings and disable new poll notifications, if you don't want to participate in polls.

🚀 stack · 2025-02-10 at 16:48:

@skyjake -- does that just keep poll posts from my feed? Looking at this thread, there are some interesting comments I would not want to miss, necessarily.

It's easy enough not to respond to the poll -- I think we are just being grumpy.

🌆 skyjake [mod...] · 2025-02-10 at 18:41:

@stack That will not keep poll posts from your feed. It will only disable the site-wide notifications about polls.

🚀 digler · 2025-02-12 at 01:40:

I'll change those settings and rely on browsing the site for interesting content as I have done up to this point.

I hope it didn't come off as excessively grumpy, I'm just self-centered and thought someone was mentioning or replying to me :)

🐙 norayr · 2025-02-14 at 11:52:

heh, i dont drink alcohol, but specialty coffee would be good. (:

🐙 norayr · 2025-02-14 at 11:58:

meanwhile i tried pidgin + bonjour over yggdrasil and chatted with my friend. we also managed to exchange files with pidgin.

i am so excited i am writing a xep-0174 crossplatform messenger in pascal.

🦀 Proton · 2025-10-19 at 20:36:

I just got into reticulum this week. I don't get the impression nomadnet and gemini are solving the same problem. I think reticulum is doing something new, and gemini is doing something old. Using rnsh to ssh into my home LAN from my phone hotspot at work with no port forwarding is very sick.

And what's with the python slander? I implemented 2 different network based protocols (eg kademlia) in python and they work great. It's not high frequency trading. Reticulum is already deployed in the wild so clearly there isn't a problem.

I built a nomadnet page in a day with Scheme so you can pick your favorite language for running nodes with some server side logic.

👻 darkghost · 2025-10-19 at 23:06:

The python slander comes from its nature as an interpreted language (slower execution), breakage between minor revisions (changing minor versions on a Linux system will result in an unusable system), and breakage in the entire language from major revisions (eg Python 2 vs Python 3.) I wrote some software in Python for my job 10 years ago and it doesn't have a prayer in executing now. It was in Python 2 using libraries that were never migrated to Python 3. It didn't take long for it to become useless.

Meanwhile I can take C code from the 80s and still compile it.

So Python code is good for right now as long as it has active development and you keep your environment up to date.

🦀 Proton · 2025-10-19 at 23:35:

Python2 has been obsolete since 2008

🐙 norayr · 2025-10-19 at 23:57:

@darkghost with all dislike towards python that i have, it isn't that true that you can take c code from 80ies and still compile it.

look, here is the

— historical code for lilith emulator from 1983

It is now quite impossible to get this running again under a recent C compiler or a recent system. No ANSI C compiler will accept this code and even if everything gets tweaked such that it is accepted, it still won't run because there exist far too many portability issues. The emulator depends on an evaluation order generated by the K&R compiler at multiple occassions which, however, was never guaranteed by C.

👻 darkghost · 2025-10-20 at 00:01:

Hence the criticism. Python 2 is gone. Software continued to be released until the end of life of Python 2. In my case, the libraries dated to 2006. It takes resources and time to rewrite software. In this case, something wasn't available to bring them up to Python 3. And, it being not my job to write software, I stopped doing that task and replaced it with nothing.

🐙 norayr · 2025-10-20 at 00:03:

then it continues:

The only method to get this code running is to compile and run it under an emulator for this ancient architecture using an installation of UNIX Edition VII which is fortunately now freely available.

i tried to port it to modern c and it was so hard that i decided to rewrite it instead in oberon.

— /u/norayr/image/601.png

though it is an offtopic i was able to compile with modern oberon compiler lots of historical code, even by just preparing wrapper module XYPlane to run this Tetris on Linux and X11 instead of Oberon system.

👻 darkghost · 2025-10-20 at 00:44:

1983 predates the attempts to standardize C but I take your point humbly. ANSI C dates to 89 and maybe if I wasn't a snot nosed kid back then, maybe I'd be complaining about it too and advocating for COBOL.

🐙 norayr · 2025-10-21 at 00:22:

heh (:

🐙 norayr · 2025-10-21 at 00:26:

i just thought and checked, turbo pascal's initial release was on november 20, 1983.

the dialect is supported in freepascal. so heh, if the code doesn't talk directly to ega/vga memory and doesn't do specific dos things, should be compilable today with fpc and should run under modern linux. (:

🐙 norayr · 2025-10-21 at 00:27:

otherwise it should run under freedos.

🚀 stack · 2025-10-22 at 02:00:

In my experience when something sucks, it is because of python. Slow, big, weird, downloads god knows what from god knows where, breaks Linux if you try to get rid of it _or_ upgrade it without a weird version management system.

As a language, horrible in so many ways -- syntax, indentation, no tail calls optimization...

Some people can deal with it, but it makes me sick. Some people don't mind being in debt, but it likewise makes me sick... If you can manage, good on you but I will stay away

🚀 stack · 2025-10-22 at 04:46:

BTW, you can totally run Common Lisp code from the 80's, the standard was set back then and never changed

🚀 devoid · 2025-10-22 at 13:27:

To all the Python bemoaners here I have but one question: Please show them how it should be done instead of caterwauling about what is

🚀 stack · 2025-10-22 at 18:27:

@devoid: See Common Lisp.

Standardized in 1980s, never needed to be 'updated'. No syntax to speak of. Well studied, all quirks written about last century. Dozens of implementations, some faster than C. Real macros for serious coders. Real lambdas (that is where they came from, along with most of so-called computer science), real closures, real symbols, amazing oo system if you choose to use it, packages, build systems, and best of all, it is a programmable language that can manipulate code as any other data.

🚀 devoid · 2025-10-22 at 22:42:

You don't have to show *me* @stack, I know Lisp and I know full well what it can and cannot do.

Show **Them**. Build a Reticulum implementation that brings to the fore what you would like to see and leaves out what bothers you.

Hell, why not build a better Python?

If it's worth your time to complain about something then it's worth your time to improve it or build something better, don't you think?

🚀 stack · 2025-10-23 at 00:28:

I am not complaining -- just answering why there is a negative attitude toward python.

As for reticulum -- I have no idea what it is, but as it is written in python, I will never use it.

And to build a better python.,.. Why? People think it's great, so it must be doing it for them. I don't even know what it means to build a better python. It's like building a better fascist state, or a better fart.

🐙 norayr · Mar 12 at 18:17:

i tried it, it got me 300mb of python libs. and it all for, practically, just running a webapp chat, which i wasn't able to make to work. this one probably because i don't understand how it works. but still, 300 (it was more) mbs of python for what?

yggdrasil binaries are about 5-7 mb in installers.

just checked, yggdrasil binary in my computer - 11mb, yggdrasilctl - 7. close to the minimal code size go produces, i guess.

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Thoughts on nomadnet as gemini competitor? — I've spent almost the whole day researching reticulum and nomadnet, and here are my thoughts: I initially was interested in it to see how hard it is to host your own pages over it, configure and connect to the whole thing. However, the whole stack is written primarely in python (that scares me in terms of reliability because no offence but python is a trash language for that purpose), and clients are bretty basic. There's no search on page...

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