Comment by 🐐 satch
Re: " Are we rebuilding the centralized web, minus tracking?…"
Also, there's not an appetite for changing text/gemini, for better or for worse. I'm happy with it as it currently is, although I'm not fundamentally opposed to change if something really good is proposed. Many are.
2023-05-17 · 3 years ago
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🌆 skyjake [OP...] · 2023-05-17 at 15:46:
@sirwilburthefirst:
I have my own Tinylog. How do I reply to a message from someone else's Tinylog?
The Tinylog client is the answer there. Tinylogs themselves are just a way for broadcasting your messages. The clients are supposed to fetch everyone's logs and track the reply/thread connections.
@satch:
this kind of conversation we're having now
Implementing this kind of a chat via multiple instances is technically possible, just look at ActivityPub. But it's a ton more complicated than what we have here. Tech/apps built on Gemini should IMO be somewhat on the same level of complexity than Gemini itself.
👻 sirwilburthefirst · 2023-05-17 at 17:00:
@skyjake That would mean that the client also needs a way for me to post messages to my Tinylog. I haven't seen one that does. I currently use some custom code that allows me to add new logs.
Maybe ideally Titan would be used for this. But the client needs some UI to allow replies. I personally don't know what the format is for a reply. So I've never done it.
Ideally imo, the client would be the browser. The browser can detect if a page is a Tinylog and display some additional UI for replies.
🐐 satch · 2023-05-17 at 17:11:
@skyjake yeah there’s some truth to that - but it doesn’t have to be as complicated as ActivityPub, that’s for sure
I think federation could be done very well
My initial thought is that the difference between the wider web and gemini space is that a large percentage of the people posting in a place like this DO have their own places and their own blogs and whatnot. Whereas on the wider internet a lot of people have, say, a Twitter account, and nothing else. So if they lose that, they lose everything. I think you need some places to gather, and it's okay if some of those places are on the bigger side. But it can't be the only place you have a digital identity and fingerprint. I think it's more important to preserve that culture than it is to try to break a big forum into smaller forums.
🐐 satch · 2023-05-17 at 22:28:
@lori i agree
That’s the key thing, it’s about reliance
Preserving the culture of having homes, not just town squares
🚀 bacardi55 · 2023-05-18 at 10:26:
I wrote a (too long) comment here:
gemini://gmi.bacardi55.io/gemlog/2023/05/18/reflexion-about-bubble-part-2/
@sirwilburthefirst : The last paragraph is dedicated to your tinylog comments :).
🚀 slondr · 2023-05-18 at 16:56:
It would be cool if we could add links to our gemlogs that show up in our u/ feeds by default
Original Post
— Are we rebuilding the centralized web, minus tracking?
Here's fodder for s/discuss. How worried should we be about centralization in Geminispace?