Re: Gemini Digest, Vol 23, Issue 13

	Gday Replying too :-
        [Off Topic] Discussing how to have communities
	without going back to something http/s based (easrng)


	Time to bring back usage of older protcols
	- FTP
	- Newsgroups
	- Zip/rar/ file.diz / readme.txt

	- Podcasts saved in mp3/ogg/vorbis
	which are downloaded via wget

	- Pictures batch downloaded
	(doesnt comic formats do this?)

	- Recipies and non drm e-books
	downloaded

	Migration away from Mainstream/cloud/public dns
	using tor, opennic, non standard IP/DNS services

	Can any of the Gemini Client support using
	- wget
	- youtube-dl
	- claws-mail
	- gftp
	- p7zip/unrar
	from links on gemini pages ?

	Does anyone support migrating away from Corporation and goverment DNS mainstream
	over to OpenNic only or Gemini having its own DNSNIC system that you can 
opt into/sign up with?
	do we have to limit our commications to standard http domains/dns systems ?

	One cool thing to do would be get the person to leave a comment by
 	- typing a text file, it being compressed, then emailed to gemini person
	via a script - eg load nano/xed/leafpad (or gemini client text box)
	type in 1 page or 1 paragraph of text , save as text file, X text file compressed,
	X file then emailed to X

	or voice comment - load arecord for 2 minutes to record voice feedback,
	compress from wav to vorbis, email that vorbis file

	By using email via pop3/smtp/etc and non standard DNS your migrating away
	from people using free emails such as protonmail/hotmail/gmail/etc


	Could Gemini be adapted to work with BBS software ? Or bbs software 
adapted to work with Gemini
	Ive been seeing some traction with small niche communities going back to 
telnet bbs's for commications
	and disussion without the censorship online via http/https

        Regards,
        Charliebrownau






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> 1.  [Off Topic]Discussing how to have communities without going
>     back to something http/s based (easrng)
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> 2.  [New Gemini Page] Throwing my hat in the ring (Andrew Singleton)
> 3.  [Tech] Oblivious Gemini? :-) (Stephane Bortzmeyer)
> 4.  [tech] Agate server: path traversal error security advisory
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> Date: Mon, 7 Jun 2021 18:14:45 -0400
> From: easrng easrng@gmail.com
> To: Andrew Singleton singletona082@gmail.com,
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>     "gemini@lists.orbitalfox.eu" <gemini@lists.orbitalfox.eu>
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> Subject: [Off Topic]Discussing how to have communities without going
> back to something http/s based
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> On June 7, 2021 3:54:57 PM UTC, Andrew Singleton singletona082@gmail.com
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> > (... snip ...) Through that whole time I peek in at Twitter
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> Nitter could be ported to Gemini, there are server libs for nim
>
> > , diffrent discourse forums,
>
> Enable mailing list mode and you can use Discourse through email
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> > older pho based forums (most notesbly brass goggles.) And on and on..
>
> Brass Goggles appears to have Tapatalk support (http://brassgoggles.co.uk/
> forum/mobiquo/mobiquo.php) so it's possible to make a non-web viewer.
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> > Which has left me pondering how 'we' would handle communities, or even if
> > 'we' should.
> > There is as far as I am aware, without going to http/s:
> >
> > -   Mailing lists. (... snip ...)
> >
> > -   BBS; (... snip ...)
> >
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> There's also NNTP/Usenet. IIRC groups can be hosted on their own server or
> as part of the actual Usenet network.
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> From: Andrew Singleton singletona082@gmail.com
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> Subject: [New Gemini Page] Throwing my hat in the ring
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> I suppose not a whole heck of a lot to write home about. I'm not a
> technically gifted person. Just an oppinionated one. It took me some time
> to figure out how to post content as the web frontend is a bit... Odd and I
> hadn't at first seen that there is SFTP access. With that sorted I've been
> having a far simpler time importing and updating content. I am sure i could
> do far better and more by figuring out how to get my FTP clients to
> autosynch local folders across instead of doing it manually, but given the
> minimal nature of things and my current gift of free time it feels somewhat
> appropriate.
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> Also it amuses me given how much is on that capsule could fit uncompressed
> on a 1.44Mb floppy with a pretty decent bit of room left to spare.
> Compressed? Well. Text compresses pretty darn well.
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> If anyone has any suggestions I would welcome the feedback. Lord alone
> knows i've probably made a fair share of obvious mistakes that will need
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> Date: Tue, 8 Jun 2021 09:06:17 +0200
> From: Stephane Bortzmeyer stephane@sources.org
> To: gemini@lists.orbitalfox.eu
> Subject: [Tech] Oblivious Gemini? :-)
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> A new working group is currently under discussion at IETF, the
> Oblivious HTTP group. The idea is to prevent the HTTP server to see
> the source IP address (the address of the client). Temporary charter
> is at https://datatracker.ietf.org/wg/ohttp/about/.
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> This may be interesting for Gemini since, while Gemini removes many of
> the information sent by the client (cookies, headers), the IP address
> is still there. Of course, there is Tor, but the "Oblivious HTTP"
> solution may be more efficient in speed.
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> Message: 4
> Date: Tue, 8 Jun 2021 09:19:04 +0200
> From: Johann Galle johann+gemini@qwertqwefsday.eu
> To: Gemini Protocol Mailing List gemini@lists.orbitalfox.eu
> Cc: Matthew Ingwersen matttpt@gmail.com
> Subject: [tech] Agate server: path traversal error security advisory
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> Hi everyone,
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> there is a security vulnerability in all Agate versions prior to 3.1.0, 
which has been discovered by Matthew Ingwersen.
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> It has been fixed in the new version which is available on crates.io, 
prebuilt binaries are also available: 
https://qwertqwefsday.eu/agate/v3.1.0/ or 
https://github.com/mbrubeck/agate/releases/tag/v3.1.0
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> Percent-encoded slashes were misunderstood, possibly allowing arbitrary 
files to be accessed. This can be an issue depending on with which 
permissions and/or user you are running the server. Therefore an update is 
highly recommended.
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> Regards,
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charliebrownau <charliebrownau@protonmail.com> writes:

> 	Time to bring back usage of older protcols
> 	- FTP

Please not FTP:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File_Transfer_Protocol#Security

Why not e.g. SFTP?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SSH_File_Transfer_Protocol

(Also, please consider trimming your replies to not include text you're 
not directly responding to.)


Alexis.