[Off Topic]Discussing how to have communities without going back to something http/s based

I have sent the past week sorting through old material both from my aborted
attempt to gopher as well as a selection of old blogspot posts I had made,
as well as other general 'ehstbdo I want to migrate over' material.

Through that whole time I peek in at Twitter, diffrent discourse forums,
older pho based forums (most notesbly brass goggles.) And on and on..

Which has left me pondering how 'we' would handle communities, or even if
'we' should.

There is as far as I am aware, without going to http/s:

* Mailing lists. Which are nice enough, but it just feels cluttered. Maybe
it's just me, but I get all these mail notifications and 'im genuinely
disinterested in most of these why am I here.' which is an inverse of how I
am with forums. Just sorta mentally sort out what ai don't care about and
focus on what I want. Maybe it's something on my end. Or is 'me' specific,
but if the Gemini discussions primarily happened on a non mailing list
format with an included mailing list? I wouldn't bother with the list
format.

* BBS; see I like BBS:s, but they suffer similar problems to gopher in that
technically thee is still development, but it all has this problem of
feeling archaic. Maybe a client can fix that, but it is a very, in my
enthusiast it non technical opinion, kindof intimidating to try starting.
I like how BBS's work, but there appears to be a not High but not low
barrier to starting up and keeping the ball rolling.

I don't even know if this post will get any traction or if I am
overthinking things, but it would be nice tohave a way to have low
bandwidth communities. However I don't want that feature set as part of
Gemini. Just... Something Gemini like that focuses on this need....
Assuming it doesn't already exist.

I have no idea what I am doing.

There's a nice little community over at Station.
gemini://station.martinrue.com/

On Mon, Jun 7, 2021 at 10:55 Andrew Singleton <singletona082@gmail.com>
wrote:

> I have sent the past week sorting through old material both from my
> aborted attempt to gopher as well as a selection of old blogspot posts I
> had made, as well as other general 'ehstbdo I want to migrate over'
> material.
>
> Through that whole time I peek in at Twitter, diffrent discourse forums,
> older pho based forums (most notesbly brass goggles.) And on and on..
>
> Which has left me pondering how 'we' would handle communities, or even if
> 'we' should.
>
> There is as far as I am aware, without going to http/s:
>
> * Mailing lists. Which are nice enough, but it just feels cluttered. Maybe
> it's just me, but I get all these mail notifications and 'im genuinely
> disinterested in most of these why am I here.' which is an inverse of how I
> am with forums. Just sorta mentally sort out what ai don't care about and
> focus on what I want. Maybe it's something on my end. Or is 'me' specific,
> but if the Gemini discussions primarily happened on a non mailing list
> format with an included mailing list? I wouldn't bother with the list
> format.
>
> * BBS; see I like BBS:s, but they suffer similar problems to gopher in
> that technically thee is still development, but it all has this problem of
> feeling archaic. Maybe a client can fix that, but it is a very, in my
> enthusiast it non technical opinion, kindof intimidating to try starting.
> I like how BBS's work, but there appears to be a not High but not low
> barrier to starting up and keeping the ball rolling.
>
> I don't even know if this post will get any traction or if I am
> overthinking things, but it would be nice tohave a way to have low
> bandwidth communities. However I don't want that feature set as part of
> Gemini. Just... Something Gemini like that focuses on this need....
> Assuming it doesn't already exist.
>
> I have no idea what I am doing.
>

Also, obligatory mention for the IRC channel, #gemini at irc.tilde.chat.

On 07/06/2021 16:57, A. G. Madi wrote:
> There's a nice little community over at Station.
> gemini://station.martinrue.com/ <http://station.martinrue.com/>
> 
> On Mon, Jun 7, 2021 at 10:55 Andrew Singleton <singletona082@gmail.com 
<mailto:singletona082@gmail.com>> wrote:
> 
>     I have sent the past week sorting through old material both from
>     my aborted attempt to gopher as well as a selection of old
>     blogspot posts I had made, as well as other general 'ehstbdo I
>     want to migrate over' material.
> 
>     Through that whole time I peek in at Twitter, diffrent discourse
>     forums, older pho based forums (most notesbly brass goggles.) And
>     on and on..
> 
>     Which has left me pondering how 'we' would handle communities, or
>     even if 'we' should.
> 
>     There is as far as I am aware, without going to http/s:
> 
>     * Mailing lists. Which are nice enough, but it just feels
>     cluttered. Maybe it's just me, but I get all these mail
>     notifications and 'im genuinely disinterested in most of these why
>     am I here.' which is an inverse of how I am with forums. Just
>     sorta mentally sort out what ai don't care about and focus on what
>     I want. Maybe it's something on my end. Or is 'me' specific, but
>     if the Gemini discussions primarily happened on a non mailing list
>     format with an included mailing list? I wouldn't bother with the
>     list format.
> 
>     * BBS; see I like BBS:s, but they suffer similar problems to
>     gopher in that technically thee is still development, but it all
>     has this problem of feeling archaic. Maybe a client can fix that,
>     but it is a very, in my enthusiast it non technical opinion,
>     kindof intimidating to try starting.  I like how BBS's work, but
>     there appears to be a not High but not low barrier to starting up
>     and keeping the ball rolling.
> 
>     I don't even know if this post will get any traction or if I am
>     overthinking things, but it would be nice tohave a way to have low
>     bandwidth communities. However I don't want that feature set as
>     part of Gemini. Just... Something Gemini like that focuses on this
>     need.... Assuming it doesn't already exist.
> 
>     I have no idea what I am doing.
>

On June 7, 2021 3:54:57 PM UTC, Andrew Singleton <singletona082@gmail.com>
wrote:
>(... snip ...) Through that whole time I peek in at Twitter

Nitter could be ported to Gemini, there are server libs for nim

>, diffrent discourse forums,

Enable mailing list mode and you can use Discourse through email

>older pho based forums (most notesbly brass goggles.) And on and on..

Brass Goggles appears to have Tapatalk support (http://brassgoggles.co.uk/
forum/mobiquo/mobiquo.php) so it's possible to make a non-web viewer.

>Which has left me pondering how 'we' would handle communities, or even if
>'we' should.
>
>There is as far as I am aware, without going to http/s:
>
>* Mailing lists. (... snip ...)
>
>* BBS; (... snip ...)

There's also NNTP/Usenet. IIRC groups can be hosted on their own server or
as part of the actual Usenet network.


-- 
🍵 <https://www.google.com/teapot>

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On Monday, June 7th, 2021 at 15:14, easrng <easrng@gmail.com> wrote:

> Brass Goggles appears to have Tapatalk support 
(http://brassgoggles.co.uk/forum/mobiquo/mobiquo.php) so it's possible to 
make a non-web viewer.

It appears to be broken, though that might be because it requires 
additional arguments. Tapatalk's a new one by me.

> There's also NNTP/Usenet. IIRC groups can be hosted on their own server 
or as part of the actual Usenet network.

Easily. The FidoNET protocol took a lot of cues from NNTP. In some 
locations, NNTP is used under the hood for internal comms (with webapps that
completely hide what it really is).

The Doctor [412/724/301/703/415/510]
WWW: https://drwho.virtadpt.net/
The old world is dying, and the new world struggles to be born. Now is the 
time of monsters.

On Tue, Jun 08, 2021 at 05:48:38PM +0000, The Doctor wrote:
> ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐
> On Monday, June 7th, 2021 at 15:14, easrng <easrng@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> > Brass Goggles appears to have Tapatalk support 
(http://brassgoggles.co.uk/forum/mobiquo/mobiquo.php) so it's possible to 
make a non-web viewer.
> 
> It appears to be broken, though that might be because it requires 
additional arguments. Tapatalk's a new one by me.
> 
> > There's also NNTP/Usenet. IIRC groups can be hosted on their own 
server or as part of the actual Usenet network.
> 
> Easily. The FidoNET protocol took a lot of cues from NNTP. In some 
locations, NNTP is used under the hood for internal comms (with webapps that
> completely hide what it really is).
> 
> The Doctor [412/724/301/703/415/510]
> WWW: https://drwho.virtadpt.net/
> The old world is dying, and the new world struggles to be born. Now is 
the time of monsters.

NNTP is cool, especially if you use UUCP or NNNCP[1] as a transport 
mechanism for offline relaying.  I favor Eternal September[2] as the 
news provider of choice since it's text groups only - no NZB warez.

[1]: http://www.nncpgo.org/
[2]: https://www.eternal-september.org/

-- 
tidux@sdf.org
SDF Public Access UNIX System - http://sdf.org

Aside from the mailing list, most contact I have with other Gemini users 
outside of Gemini itself is through XMPP and Mastodon, and I don't use 
Mastodon very much. I created the chat room geminauts@chat.kwiecien.us

-- gemini://kwiecien.us/

In addition to the three already mentioned; the mailing list, the irc 
channel, and station, there is microblogging.

Drew from Trendy Talk came up with a Tinylog format and a  program called 
Lace that take Tinylogs from different Gemini sites and puts them in 
chronological order.  
The use of the format and the use of Lace has somewhat morphed from just a 
way to read Tinylogs to a kind of Twitter for Gemini.

adele@pollux.casa has worked on improving the format along with 
bacardi55@gmi.bacardi55.io who is creating an rfc for Tiny Logs 
gemini://gmi.bacardi55.io/gemlog/2021/06/tinylog-rfc.gmi  
 bacardi55@gmi.bacardi55.io is also working on a microblogging client 
called gtl written in GO.

 https://github.com/bacardi55/gtl

Drew has passed the baton to me in terms of developing Lace which can be 
now found at https://gitlab.com/frrobert2/lace/-/tree/dev   Please use the 
dev branch it should run faster than the main branch. I haven't got around 
to moving branches around.  I hope in the next week or so to make the dev 
branch the main branch.   
Please come and join the fun.

Fr. Robert
gemini://frrobert.net


On Mon, Jun 07, 2021 at 10:54:57AM -0500, Andrew Singleton wrote:
> I have sent the past week sorting through old material both from my aborted
> attempt to gopher as well as a selection of old blogspot posts I had made,
> as well as other general 'ehstbdo I want to migrate over' material.
> 
> Through that whole time I peek in at Twitter, diffrent discourse forums,
> older pho based forums (most notesbly brass goggles.) And on and on..
> 
> Which has left me pondering how 'we' would handle communities, or even if
> 'we' should.
> 
> There is as far as I am aware, without going to http/s:
> 
> * Mailing lists. Which are nice enough, but it just feels cluttered. Maybe
> it's just me, but I get all these mail notifications and 'im genuinely
> disinterested in most of these why am I here.' which is an inverse of how I
> am with forums. Just sorta mentally sort out what ai don't care about and
> focus on what I want. Maybe it's something on my end. Or is 'me' specific,
> but if the Gemini discussions primarily happened on a non mailing list
> format with an included mailing list? I wouldn't bother with the list
> format.
> 
> * BBS; see I like BBS:s, but they suffer similar problems to gopher in that
> technically thee is still development, but it all has this problem of
> feeling archaic. Maybe a client can fix that, but it is a very, in my
> enthusiast it non technical opinion, kindof intimidating to try starting.
> I like how BBS's work, but there appears to be a not High but not low
> barrier to starting up and keeping the ball rolling.
> 
> I don't even know if this post will get any traction or if I am
> overthinking things, but it would be nice tohave a way to have low
> bandwidth communities. However I don't want that feature set as part of
> Gemini. Just... Something Gemini like that focuses on this need....
> Assuming it doesn't already exist.
> 
> I have no idea what I am doing.

Jonathan Lane writes:
> NNTP is cool, especially if you use UUCP or NNNCP[1] as a transport 
> mechanism for offline relaying.  I favor Eternal September[2] as the 
> news provider of choice since it's text groups only - no NZB warez.
>
> [1]: http://www.nncpgo.org/
> [2]: https://www.eternal-september.org/

Has anyone written any documentation on setting up a Usenet-like network
over NNCP? I.e., one that syncs news spools usable by either local
newsreaders or NNTP servers? Someone pointed me at NNCP a while ago, but
I wasn't able to find that kind of documentation, so didn't really have
a use case.

-- 
Jason McBrayer      | “Strange is the night where black stars rise,
jmcbray@carcosa.net | and strange moons circle through the skies,
                    | but stranger still is lost Carcosa.”
                    | ― Robert W. Chambers,The King in Yellow

On 2021/06/13 01:04, Jason McBrayer wrote:
> Someone pointed me at NNCP a while ago

I think that might have been me :)

Andrew,
Can you say a bit more about what feels cluttered about the mailing lists?
Do you have a mail client set-up and configured to your liking?
Are you making use of the topic filtering on mailman?

PS: As for NNTP, I run a server for a small group of people. Tempted to 
expand this group if we could form a network of NNTP servers.