TIL: I am as old as dirt. I found myself describing two experiences of my mis-spent Computer youth. The conversation in sdf.org COM had drifted into IBM-360. That prompted me to inquire... [pa2] whats IBM's 1969 hot offerring [pa2] Ran FORTRAN 4 on the school system's IBM washing-machine-sized card reader, "CPU", console keyboard (WMSed), and a couple of tape drives, and a Cake-Box HD. It turns out it was most likely a v.69 or v.70 IBM-360. 3 hours on Friday nights, 7 to 10. One dedicated physics instructor and a handful of nerds, dweebs, twerps, and me, all three. Standing expectantly around a washing-machine-sized "CPU" (once causing it to overheat and shut down, Errrrr.) Then the wide green-bar printout of our punch card code to try and see the typo, the 'bug'. Back to the card punch, correct the card, reread, rerun, rinse, repeat. THE PROGRAM: Tic-Tac-Toe Lesson learned: A.) the program required a COBOL subroutine, a novelty in the FORTRAN world, to access the W-M-S Keyboard (kinda sticking outa the top but part of the big box). Between watching the line printer to tell when the program had completed its turn as was waiting for KYBD imput. A maximum of nine turns before the game ends and the program exits printing, "The computer wins." or "The game is a draw, if they are careful." B.) the program can be programmed to never be beaten, only a draw. C.) it is no fun to consistenly lose or draw to the computer. Adult me wishes I had the opportunity to introduce the then-me to random plays, or even matrix data structuring, or ... old, I am just old. And then the same day I found myself responding to a hashnix.club Dream meandering about BBS's... 1987ish Lil'BBS (one-line college town bbs) running on a 286 and a 20 MEG HD. Risk was the favorrite door - very competitive. Would I _evah_ consider doing something like that again, NOPE. Mustang BBS software. b*tchin Sure, it is nostalgic but ... I am old. Life is too short now. I have been given the gift of standing on the *cough* leading edge. I have every intention in see where we are going, not where we have been. Back to the Future! peace