The Epstein thing might be big -- I was visiting my hardcore MAGA parents this weekend and was actualy kind of surprised to hear them speaking very spitefully of Trump. At first i had kind of figured the whole oredeal would be watter under the bridge within a week, but most of his base seems genuinely furious. It helps a lot that they are uterly incompentent in their handling of the coverup. I'm wondering what others' read on the situation is.
2025-07-15 · 10 months ago · 👍 bsj38381
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👾 jecxjo [Left of Left] · 2025-07-15 at 04:05:
I knew there would eventually be something that would be too difficult to just ignore. With Trump's entire campaign being slogans and memes and no actual substance he would eventually fail too many people at the same time that he wouldn't be able to escape. I just never thought that the thing that would do it was the Epstein list. Sadly I still don't see a lot realizing WHY the list isn't being published. They don't seem to get that Trump is on the list. That Trump is the type of person the right has been on the hunt for.
🛰️ repeater · 2025-07-15 at 07:55:
The fact that Democrats never pursued this when in power will soften the blow, I'm afraid. (Perhaps there was nothing to pursue, of course. It's a convenient escape for Trump either way.)
I'll be surprised if this is still on anyone's radar in three months. We'll see.
👻 darkghost [Left leaning independent] · 2025-07-15 at 09:42:
The MAGA world whips itself up into a fury with all these conspiracy theories and this was a big one. A running theme is the powerful all being satanic pedophiles. That's what pizza gate was about. And it is a crusade to root out evil and protect children. This one actually had substance, unlike pizza gate. Biden was never going to do anything, he was too corrupt and part of the system that protects evil. Same with Hillary.
With Trump, he said he would bring this evil into daylight and make sure those who committed these atrocities suffered. They have been teasing that the truth would come out very soon.
Suddenly, this administration sounds exactly like the Biden administration. There is no list. And he committed suicide. Then, to prove it, they release footage from the prison, uninterrupted, except for one minute, of not Epstein's cell. That is fuel for the fire.
They went from "I have the list on my desk" to "What list?" and MAGA ain't buying it.
Now look, I think this conspiracy was pretty flimsy to start, especially when Epstein's death happened during Trump admin 1. They had the opportunity way more than the Clintons or anybody else. And to expect a corrupt liar (who has been corrupt and lying for decades,) who had photos with Epstein, to reveal the truth was extremely naïve.
I think it is good that MAGA gets a glimpse into how others view the president. While I don't think this will shatter the movement, it is certainly a stumble that may spell trouble. Obama noted that reelection gets you 6 months of political capital. While this administration has been energetic during that time, it might be right on schedule to see that political capital fading.
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💎 pista [monarchist] · 2025-07-15 at 13:25:
At this point I assume everyone who reaches for the Ring of Power in the USA is a child molester. It doesn’t matter which party ticket.
Biden molested his daughter according to her own journal. Everyone on Blue Team was as fine writing that off. Same as everyone on Red Team was ignoring questionable photos of Trump and young Ivanka.
The 180 degree turn, Dan Bongino looking like someone threatened his children, and Kash Patel with his eyes so wide you could see the whites all the way around didn’t make it any more credible.
They should just start making all the kids watch one of the old Boy Scout PSAs about child molesters before they let them meet a US congress member or president.
👾 jecxjo [Left of Left] · 2025-07-15 at 16:10:
@darkghost To your point, I think this is the type of wake up call that the right needs. The problem I forsee happening is they seem to have short memories due to their constant need to be in rage mode.
The left knows a lot of their candidates are shit. You expect to have crappy people seeking power when there are positions open that have power. But there are also a lot of good left candidates who do the two things you need: Push for better policies and ACTUALLY CALL OUT THE BS OF THEIR PARTY.
I have not seen a single example of a right politician that does this. They either drank the KoolAid or they are hiding to not make waves. I just can't get behind that.
👻 darkghost [Left leaning independent] · 2025-07-15 at 17:14:
@jecxjo I think you're right. There's also a hierarchical type of thinking that many conservatives employ. So if the leaders tell them to drop it, they drop it. It isn't their place. This is already happening with right wing pundits saying they're not going to talk about it anymore. Years and years of beating the drum and they let it go like that. I doubt the whole movement will let it go, but some will, because they were told to.
The Right calls out their party... for not being ideologically pure enough. I can imagine people like Eisenhower, Nixon, or Reagan would be considered RINOs in today's Republican party.
🚀 stack [anarchist] · 2025-07-19 at 17:03:
Does hair sniffing count?
How long do you will it be before everyone forgets all about the list? I give it 3 weeks tops.
👾 jecxjo [Left of Left] · 2025-07-19 at 19:33:
@stack Honestly I think it sticks around as long as the major networks and some of the bigger names in "independent media" on the right keep it around. And all that depends on how much Trump and his team pays off or strong arms them all.
At the moment Trump is just insulting everyone who keeps asking questions. Nothing new, except now the insults are directed at his base. If he turns on any his cabinet they could easily leak the info and then all hell breaks lose.
👻 darkghost [Left leaning independent] · 2025-07-19 at 22:27:
Right. They've been beating this drum for years. It all ties into QAnon which has been a thing for 8 years. People are fickle but I don't think they're that fickle.
I'm sure some are keeping the story alive because they want to see which Democrats (and Democrats only) are on the list.
But once again, Trump hires the worst people, so they teased at the salacious details, and then poof. What list? I do think the WSJ story has calmed some of the uproar on the right. For now. But this will linger and continue to come up. Many sacrificed family and friends for QAnon. They're not going to quickly admit a mistake having sunk so much into it.
👾 jecxjo [Left of Left] · 2025-07-19 at 22:33:
Honestly I wonder when a fake Q shows up to egg them on. If some moderately intelligent people on the left took on the role they could easily control a good portion of the loudest sections of MAGA.
🦔 bsj38381 [Left-Leaning Libertarian] · 2025-07-25 at 10:08:
It also doesn't help that Trump even denies that he's friends with Epstein in the first place. Which I call horseapples on.
👻 darkghost [Left leaning independent] · 2025-07-25 at 10:40:
He has done so much to keep it in the news cycle. Hiring all those incompetent sycophants was probably a bad idea.
🐦 aven [OP, Market Socialist] · 2025-07-26 at 18:29:
I'm very concerned with the recent developments that maxwell is their newest (and likely most effective) atempt to escape culpability. She'll throw out the names of some democrats involved (she wouldn't need to make any up) while exonerating trump and his cronies. And the MAGA propaganda engine is at full steam again, his base is already prepared to eat it up.
👻 darkghost [Left leaning independent] · 2025-07-26 at 19:15:
I hope you're wrong. The things I hear from these folks, they're extremely jaded about the whole thing and exchanging dirt on only Democrats for a pardon would make them more furious. It would all but be confirmation that he is guilty as hell. Would it cause them to abandon him? Probably not. Would it stall the movement? Probably yes. The Republican majority will be holding House and Senate minute long sessions every 5 days during the summer recess to prevent recess appointments. A tactic more commonly employed against Obama and Biden by Republican majorities.
🚀 stack [anarchist] · 2025-07-30 at 15:26:
Prior to the first victory, T said that he could kill someone in times square and still win the election. Sad but true.
But I don't think he was best friends with E. He had some Italian dude get wives for him
👾 jecxjo [Left of Left] · 2025-07-30 at 16:08:
idk, looking at the number of interactions and the type of contact they had it makes me believe they were "best friends." I put the quotes because I also don't think T really had any actual friends. They would all cut each other's throat to save themselves but thieves hang out with other thieves because who else knows that life.
👻 darkghost [Left leaning independent] · 2025-07-30 at 17:02:
In this social circle, it's a system of using. Your friends are your friends as long as they're useful to you. What made Epstein useful to Trump? What made Trump useful to Epstein?
🦔 bsj38381 [Left-Leaning Libertarian] · 2025-08-01 at 19:12:
I'm still frustrated that 45 keeps denying that he's assosiated with Eptein, and now Tech corporations claiming to "protect the kids" but I honestly believe that governments are all guilty for letting scummy people work with them or even associate with them.
🚀 stack [anarchist] · 2025-08-01 at 20:38:
Governments _are_ places where scummy people get together to make it easier to do scummy things. A government is basically a scumbag union.
They will throw some money for public works and schools and such, but mostly it's about enriching themselves and pedophilia.
👻 darkghost [Left leaning independent] · 2025-08-01 at 22:53:
"Kid, I *am* the police!" -Biff Tannen