Comment by 🐐 satch
Re: " Are we rebuilding the centralized web, minus tracking?…"
@sirwilburthefirst I have the same plan for my /u/
in my opinion, though, gemini isn't meant to be for easy chatting. Long form discussion is already easy enough, we have IRC and Matrix etc (and some better clients would be nice but they shouldn't be on Gemini).
I think Bubble is super convenient for this kind of conversation we're having now. I just don't think people should rely on it, especially not on one instance, and I think that reliance is the tendency.
2023-05-17 · 3 years ago
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🐐 satch · 2023-05-17 at 15:31:
Also, there's not an appetite for changing text/gemini, for better or for worse. I'm happy with it as it currently is, although I'm not fundamentally opposed to change if something really good is proposed. Many are.
🌆 skyjake [OP...] · 2023-05-17 at 15:46:
@sirwilburthefirst:
I have my own Tinylog. How do I reply to a message from someone else's Tinylog?
The Tinylog client is the answer there. Tinylogs themselves are just a way for broadcasting your messages. The clients are supposed to fetch everyone's logs and track the reply/thread connections.
@satch:
this kind of conversation we're having now
Implementing this kind of a chat via multiple instances is technically possible, just look at ActivityPub. But it's a ton more complicated than what we have here. Tech/apps built on Gemini should IMO be somewhat on the same level of complexity than Gemini itself.
👻 sirwilburthefirst · 2023-05-17 at 17:00:
@skyjake That would mean that the client also needs a way for me to post messages to my Tinylog. I haven't seen one that does. I currently use some custom code that allows me to add new logs.
Maybe ideally Titan would be used for this. But the client needs some UI to allow replies. I personally don't know what the format is for a reply. So I've never done it.
Ideally imo, the client would be the browser. The browser can detect if a page is a Tinylog and display some additional UI for replies.
🐐 satch · 2023-05-17 at 17:11:
@skyjake yeah there’s some truth to that - but it doesn’t have to be as complicated as ActivityPub, that’s for sure
I think federation could be done very well
My initial thought is that the difference between the wider web and gemini space is that a large percentage of the people posting in a place like this DO have their own places and their own blogs and whatnot. Whereas on the wider internet a lot of people have, say, a Twitter account, and nothing else. So if they lose that, they lose everything. I think you need some places to gather, and it's okay if some of those places are on the bigger side. But it can't be the only place you have a digital identity and fingerprint. I think it's more important to preserve that culture than it is to try to break a big forum into smaller forums.
🐐 satch · 2023-05-17 at 22:28:
@lori i agree
That’s the key thing, it’s about reliance
Preserving the culture of having homes, not just town squares
🚀 bacardi55 · 2023-05-18 at 10:26:
I wrote a (too long) comment here:
gemini://gmi.bacardi55.io/gemlog/2023/05/18/reflexion-about-bubble-part-2/
@sirwilburthefirst : The last paragraph is dedicated to your tinylog comments :).
🚀 slondr · 2023-05-18 at 16:56:
It would be cool if we could add links to our gemlogs that show up in our u/ feeds by default
Original Post
— Are we rebuilding the centralized web, minus tracking?
Here's fodder for s/discuss. How worried should we be about centralization in Geminispace?