Comment by 🖥️ zetamacs
but that doesn't make it more accessible, especially when SSH requires the use of a terminal.
I fail to see why that's a significant barrier for anyone but my grandmother when we're talking niche applications and protocols.
Perhaps I've misread the demographic, but I don't think so.
Now, you clearly misunderstood what I meant by "shell access"
Edit: You sniped this in *after* you told me to stop talking to you? I'd be fine if you were only clarifying (guilty!), but shooting more that might merit a response at me when I'm trying to be kind and give you space is uncalled for.
2024-01-09 · 2 years ago
12 Later Comments ↓
🖥️ zetamacs · 2024-01-09 at 20:45:
@clseibold
The point of saying that is that SuperTXT should not be considered a protocol.
When did anyone, especially myself, say otherwise?
That SSH is a handy way to access it is what I'm considering interesting.
🖥️ zetamacs · 2024-01-09 at 20:49:
@clseibold Again insisting on having that install option.
My claim from the get-go (literally look up at the top of the thread if you don't believe me) was about default configurations and *nothing else*.
Glory.
🖥️ zetamacs · 2024-01-09 at 20:51:
@clseibold You know, I think we can do better than this. It's not a very productive conversation as we're currently pursuing it.
You okay with calling it a mutual misunderstanding and having a nice rest of the day?
🖥️ zetamacs · 2024-01-09 at 21:09:
@clseibold *sigh*
There is no intentional claim about TLS proper. That's silly. My whole intent was to say that fetching a Gemini page with the one tool you've certainly got out of the box that can talk successfully to the server is bound to be less fun than:
ssh supertxt.net
If that was unclear, call it my bad if you like.
especially when wget and curl exist.
Can either of those understand Gemini these days?
All this constant misrepresentation and bad-faith reading has been a waste of life. How unfortunate. But, the day goes on. Enjoy continuing to edit your posts when you think I won't notice.
Since the rest is just snark, I have no further comments, your honor.
🍀 gritty [OP] · 2024-01-09 at 21:40:
alright everyone I think I've got it. I didn't expect 28 comments on this today, but I see what you both /all are saying, so thank you. I think we can all agree that it's neat but just not viable at the moment.
🖥️ admin · 2024-01-10 at 11:46:
Leave me the hell alone, gosh dang!
This is a group discussion, @clseibold, not a competition on who gets the most factual details right. If you don't want someone to talk to you, feel free to mute them (temporarily, if that helps).
I've given you a flair.
🐐 Singletona082 · 2025-01-16 at 13:42:
I feel conflicted. On the one hand 'Cool people are tryingto solve what they see as a problem and are Doing rather than Talking.' On the other 'You're fragmenting an existing protocol that already has (comparitively) few users. Leave it alone please.'
💀 requiem · 2025-03-25 at 18:11:
I love this “apps over ssh” paradigm but I don’t think it needs to be a new protocol. I really like apps like SSH chat (1) or terminal.shop (2) and I really wish we served more interesting things over ssh. But I don’t think we need any more new protocols for a while.
(1) https://github.com/shazow/ssh-chat
(2) ssh terminal.shop
🦂 zzo38 · 2025-03-25 at 18:49:
One problem with SSH is that it does not have virtual hosting (unlike TLS which does have virtual hosting).
(The I request of Scorpion protocol could be used for interactive sessions including virtual hosting (and some other optional features, such as X.509 authentication), if desired. Some details in that part of the specification could be changed if there are problems with it, maybe.)
🐰 bw9ubwo · 2025-03-26 at 17:19:
I like the concept of ssh apps and have a few installed on my server. Providing content over such an app is something I consider sometimes. But the missing virtual hosts make it nearly impossible. Sure, you can bind every vhost to a different ipv6 address or provide a configuration for ssh to map different ports. Maybe this is something to automate, but then you need a special client.
— Some nice ssh apps and stuff to build them.
🦂 zzo38 · 2025-03-26 at 19:44:
Not everyone has version 6 internet (although I suppose it would help, if you do have it). (I have seen gopher servers that require version 6 internet, possibly for the same reason.)
💀 requiem · 2025-03-27 at 08:53:
I reckon there are reverse proxies that might be able to do it. I recall Caddy has TLS-SNI capabilities.
Original Post
superTXT — so I'm trying to wrap my mind around this SuperTXT protocol but I'm just not understanding it all that well. It seems to be a version of gemtext that is accessed via SSH based tools. I haven't tried the graphical browser but was wondering if this is the basis of it?