Comment by 🚀 lars_the_bear
Re: "What's going on with california and colorado age…"
@jprjr : I'd agree that there are far, far worse things for kids to see. The reason we parents don't like porn (in the UK) these days is because of its association with misogynist culture. Also, we're reluctant to expose young children to the kind of activity where you need a safe-word, because it can be dangerous.
And, frankly, porn is a soft target, because we all kind-of know what it looks like. There are worse things, but they're harder to define, let alone identify. That, I guess, is why there are calls to ban social media completely for minors.
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👻 darkghost · Mar 19 at 15:22:
Plenty of init friendly distros. And I'll use a GUI that looks like a papier-mâché project gone terribly wrong before giving systemd the satisfaction of knowing my age.
Governments in California, Colorado, Australia, Brazil, and Singapore are rewriting the rules of how operating systems work, and one developer has responded by registering his software under the law's own definitions, citing the exact statute, and declaring intentional noncompliance on his front page.
What's driving this legislation isn't purely a child safety agenda: there's a $2 billion lobbying shadow hanging over these bills, and the company at the centre of it stands to gain enormously while its rivals absorb the legal exposure.
Today, we break down exactly how the laws work, why volunteer-run Linux projects may face thousands of dollars in fines they have no way to pay, and how one $12 piece of hardware is being positioned as an act of civil disobedience.
— https://goblincorps.com/ageless-linux.html
systemd has implemented age verification.
I think there is a script out already that removes it.
— https://lunduke.substack.com/p/systemd-adds-age-verification-and
👻 darkghost · Mar 22 at 01:24:
There are also many init friendly distros, and BSD too
I imagine BSD-based OSs will have to comply as well...
@stack:
The idea of Gavin as president is actually more revolting/scary than Trump
I don't like Newsom one bit but, do you have any situational awareness? Trump is quite literally rounding up undesirables and sending them overseas to forced labor camps without any restraint. He is destroying any semblance of a social safety net the US once had. He collaborates with known techno-fascists.
That isn't to say I like Newsom—far from it. I don't like any politician. But to say that just because of some bullshit privacy-grabbing law that he's worse than Trump is an... interesting take.
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@norayr:
i suggest other law: what if we forbid to use proprietary software till the 30?
because it can harm, make young brains addicted, and get used to constant surveillance and control by random entities in pursue of profit.
Actually kind of based tbh. If I thought laws were actually a good thing then I'd probably support this.
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@lars_the_bear:
Sooner or later, though, on-line services are going to insist on ID.
The moment this happens, I'm just not going to use that service. Excluding things like banks which need my ID anyway, there's only like 2 proprietary web services I use (namely Discord and YouTube) and I'd probably be fine without them.
If you look at his trainwreck California, the fraud and tax hell of the US, the place people can't leave fast enough, you may understand my statement.
As for Trump... Sending "undesirable" (actually, criminal) non-citizens (from prisons) home is the least of my issues with this administration.
Sending "undesirable" non-citizens home is the least of my issues with this admibistration.
how, in good faith, can you call yourself an "anarchist" and still think "citizenship" is a meaningful thing that wasn't invented to control people.
All I see is people being forcibly removed from their communities by the violent gang we call "ICE", oftentimes taken to camps with horrible conditions or to places they previously left due to it being extremely unsafe for them.
I've said before that I am a terrible anarchist.
No, I don't believe in borders and entitlements, but I have to live in this world, and have to share it with other people, including the majority who elected this president largely on this issue.
It would be wiser to accept the loss and regroup, and find an _electable_ candidate instead of throwing tantrums and trying to throw the chessboard into the air.
The damage done in terms of human trafficking and suffering in order to bring cheap labor into this country, and the desire of some states to not deport prisoners who are forced into free labor corporate work camps, is horrible. There is no good way to unwind it, and the propaganda machine protects the Empire, using well-meaning people.
🚀 lars_the_bear · Mar 22 at 18:28:
@zipsegv : "The moment this happens, I'm just not going to use that service."
That's always been my attitude, too. But what's going to happen when you need verifiable ID to do _anything_ on the Internet? Even a DNS lookup? Even Gemini?
My experience is that politicians, when thwarted, tend to react by implementing even stupider policies. Like (in the UK) trying to ban VPNs becasue people are using them to get around age verification.
@lars_the_bear yeah no, we're in agreement. these laws are really bad in general.
GrapheneOS is refusing to cooperate. See HN
— https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47479183
👻 darkghost · Mar 23 at 17:53:
OH NO now I won't be able to buy a GrapheneOS device in CO or CA!! Wait a minute.... I still can't buy a GrapheneOS device there now! I have to get a Pixel and pave it over!
Somehow I think TempleOS will not be complying either... Maybe it's time to listen to what God is saying.
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What's going on with california and colorado age verification? — Do they actually have anything to do with verification? Everyone is using the word verification, but any source that actually gets into what the bills require does not talk about verification. It seems to me that the laws are just about collecting age-based information, and using it to not show porn to minors. There seems to be no requirement to actually verify the information they collect. Am I completely misunderstanding what...